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Old 04-27-2006, 04:37 PM
Shocktherapy Shocktherapy is offline
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take it easy guys..........I was just asking.......
No need to take it the wrong way I'm new at this.........
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Old 04-28-2006, 08:31 AM
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Not to worry shocktherapy, I doubt anyone will hold it against you. You touched on one of the more opinionated subjects in fishing. Last year there was an article in one of the regional fishing magazines that gave out specific spots which ticked off a lot of people.

Shore fishing spots are far and few between in an area such as the northeast where coastal development has left few areas where people can legally access the ocean. The few spots that remain tend mostly to be small. So it doesn't take but a few people to burn a spot. Also, when we say "burn", it's not only the probability of too many people but more important to me is the influx of certain types of individuals that disrespect others and the environment.

There's so much more to fishing than just catching fish. For the amount of money some of us have invested in property, boats (gas), slips, fishing gear........the few fish I take a year probably costs well over $1000 a pound. If it were just about the fish, I'd obviously spend my money elsewhere. But it's not.

I love that boundery between the land and water/sea. IMO, it's the most beautiful, constantly active, ever changing, life filled piece of real estate on the planet. It humbles me. For those reasons, I've lived pretty much on that stretch of geography for most of my life. I will surely die there and have instructed my daughter (and wife) to spread my ashes in two of my favorite spots.

I tell you this to illustrate how personal and passionate it is to some of us so that you can begin to understand why we reacted the way we did.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:06 AM
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Shore fishing spots are far and few between in an area such as the northeast where coastal development has left few areas where people can legally access the ocean.
  • Just a reminder, if you are fishing, fowling or navigating in MA, you have rights of use.

    Over the years, Massachusetts courts have ruled that the scope of activities on private tidelands covered by the reserved public rights of fishing, fowling, and navigation is broad, and includes all of their "natural derivatives." For example:

    The right to fish includes the right to seek or take any fish, shellfish, or floating marine plants, from a vessel or on foot;

    The right to navigate includes the right to conduct any activity involving the movement of a boat, vessel, float, or other watercraft, as well as the transport of people and materials and related loading and unloading activity; and

    The right to fowl includes the right to hunt birds for sport as well as sustenance. (The Massachusetts Attorney General takes the position that the right of fowling also includes other ways that birds can be "used," such as birdwatching, but also notes that this issue has not yet been addressed by the courts.)

    Clearly, these rights cover a variety of both old and new activities that many people enjoy, such as surfcasting and windsurfing. Still, the courts have imposed some limits. The right of fishing, for example, does not allow the use of structures for aquaculture or the taking of plant debris washed up on the beach. Also, courts have made it clear that the public right to use this area does not include the right to simply stroll, sunbathe, or otherwise engage in recreation unrelated to fishing, fowling, or navigation. Without permission from the landowner, such general recreation is trespassing. There is only one narrow exception to this rule-because there are no private property rights in the water itself, the public is allowed to swim in the intertidal zone provided the swimmer does not touch the private land underneath or use it to enter or leave the water.

For more info, check out http://www.mass.gov/czm/shorelinepublicaccess.htm.

Obviously, try to exersize good judgement while on other people property so we don't lose these rights.
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Old 04-28-2006, 11:36 AM
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Thanks Tony!...........I was just curious.......Good luck out there!

take care
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Old 04-28-2006, 12:15 PM
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I'd like to see you try to stroll onto the Kennedy complex and fish from their beach or better still the Bush Estate in Kennebunk. Hell, the cops won't let you drive down the public street by the Bush estate when GW is there. In a boat, try to get within a mile of his estate....not gonna happen.

Be careful if you attempt to do this. You could easily get yourself hurt. Personally I think it's bullcrap. And it's not only because I've got a couple of waterfront homes.

Consider this:

If you've got your family swimming on your very expensive hard earned "private" ocean beach and some people come up and start fishing where the kids are in the water, you gonna welcome them with open arms? I don't think so. My house in Maine is on a private no parking street. If people are polite and ask and I feel the beach is not too crowded, I allow them to park either in front of my house or even in my driveway. But, if you're disrespectful and think you can just waltz in and take over, not gonna happen.

I've also owned property on a pond for 25 years. I allow the neighborhood kids to fish off my dock, if they ask and if they respect my property. I'm not gonna pickup someones trash, fix broken items, or replace stolen property (boats - yes its happened) because the law says I have to let them on my property.

Call me an elitest if you want. But I've worked my a$$ off for over 30 years, sacraficing a lot, to make the life we have. What's next...if I don't have someone sleeping in one of my beach home bedrooms, you have the right to use it?

F'n A. I'm pissed.
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Old 04-28-2006, 04:35 PM
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shocktherapy,

Anyone that's been doing this more than a year or two's gonna tell ya there aint nothing worse... I mean nothing... than having even one googan(never mind a half a dozen) in a spot thats yeilding steady fishing, they may anchor in the drift, they may make more noise than a group of goblins on halloween or they just plain my ruin your plan of attack by crossing your lines and running over the fish, or getting too close to you and the fish, thus scaring them into hiding and send you looking for safer/greener pastures, yessir, I learned my lesson many, many, many tides ago.... it's not worthit ... I've been a victim of this before, I sacraficed alot (and still do) to be able to find fish every night, I'm not willing to sacrafice that in the name of being a good guy.. if that makes me a then so be it... this is my last post on this ugly subject for the '06 season.... some day I hope you understand....

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what I dispise most is when it's taken me 20 minutes to sneak into position, get anchored,on electric power and some bonehead comes gasing right up to me.... it's a good way to get to 2oz. jig right between the lookers.. now I hang around for an hour for fish to settle in..
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Old 04-28-2006, 05:33 PM
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I hear you guys. As I said in my orignal post I am going from shore to boat myself so I guess I'll understand more when it happens to me.......Not a bad idea about the jig between the lookers.....

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Old 04-28-2006, 10:57 PM
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just my opinion on this, there are no truly secret spots out there anymore. Too many boats on the water now, someone always is seeing what you're doing and where you're doing it. The biggest issue here is about RESPECT! Don't go crowding in on a spot where someone already is fishing, you don't want that happening to you...............
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