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Old 07-03-2006, 10:40 PM
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Default Oxydized paint and additional rod holders - New boat(used)

New to me anyway. Picked up a '86 23' Four winns for a
Song & a Dance! The guy at the marina where the boat was
shocked at what I got it for.... He's throwing in the outdrive for me
and i'll be out causing havoc in about 2 weeks. After I get it cleaned
up I'll take a few pics w/ before and after.

Boat hull is maroon on the top half and is oxyidized pretty well.

What chemical/product will bring it back?

Of course, a good buffer and a lot of elbow grease!

Next, I'd like to add a few more rod holders in the gunnels. Where's
a good place to pick up the inserts. I'm pretty good with tools so
boring a hole thru the gunnels is no big deal for me. Just curious if there's
anything additional to worry about other than the obvious...wires, etc.

Also, if anyone has any tips on constructing a live well that'd be the
hurdle afterward. But that's getting too far ahead of myself...

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Old 07-05-2006, 06:27 PM
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Found this website for installing rod holders in the gunnels. Seems pretty
straight forward.

Has anyone ever done this?

http://www.diynetwork.com/diy/bo_enh...278624,00.html

Got to find a place to get some apoxy. It says in the article to seal the
exposed areas on the drilled hole to prevent moisture from getting in.

The bimini on the boat needs to be restitched. Anyone ever use the
place in Newburyport,ma. The seems are pulling apart and some zippers
have separated. No torn canvas though...Thank god!

Seacoast Canvas
McKay's Wharf; (978) 465-4333

Last but not least. I found a place in E.Falmouth on the cape

E Paint Company, 25 Research Road, East Falmouth, MA

They've got some mericle cleaner to bring back the paint color.
Anyone ever De-Oxyidize their boat paint?
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Old 07-10-2006, 10:58 PM
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Looks like Seacoast canvas is a decent place. Newburyport...

The owner is a little picky, I'll call him an "old fart" that's kinda
particular about what he sends thru his sewing machines.

My bimini's needed to be power washed. Took'em over across the rte 1
bridge and hosed them down. When I got back the guy from the shop was
happy and glad to do the work.

2-3 weeks and about 200-300 buks.

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My drilled holes thru the gunnels went fantastic. Put in 5 rod holders and
plans for a couple more. I put (1) 30 degree holder in furthest point rear
in each gunnel then measured back 33" for (1) 15 degree on each side.

Put in 1 straight 0 degree holder for a cutting table on the starboard side.

Had to slant the drill bit for the 30 degree holes. Used two part apoxy on each hole and silcone calking in each drilled hole. Got a couple for the
transom left to drill and install and I'm good to go.

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The outdrive was installed but the gimbal was hungup and they replace it along with some sort of cable that comes thru the transom unit on the
alpha1 outdrive.

The hydrualic trim pump might be bad. The shop says its a few hundred
for the part then labor costs. Total work is getting closer to $2K. Far from
the $1000 I thought is was going to cost.

Anyway, they;ll have the boat ready for the weekend. We'll see!

I still gotta get thru the electronics and stuff.

Atleast the boat is clean and doesn't look like a piece of crap

I suppose I shouldn't complain having paid so little for the boat&trailer.
Guess $2K for fixes to the engine and stuff isn't too bad. Shop says
that everything else looks to be in good working order. Famous last words.

Total costs so far $4300 + $250 for rod holders and cleaning stuff.
$4500 and I'll be ready to go. At least I don;t need any tackle...

I'm sure I've got more expenses coming!

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Old 07-11-2006, 12:23 AM
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Best of luck to ya cal.
I dropped 3500 on a rigid inflatable and
more on the trailer.
If I had it to do over I would have gone for a
light aluminum with a 40 or so motor.
Maybe Ill see if i cant trade it for a golf cart or an atv.
Good luck.
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Old 07-11-2006, 08:56 AM
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Congrats and good luck on the new boat Cal.

Gelcoat Oxidation:

With my older boat, the issue has been that I can get it to look good by using a polish (with abrassive) and then putting a couple coats of wax on. But, after a few weeks in the sun and salt, it would again show heavy oxide. I did a little research on this subject and found this web site that explains this issue.

http://www.marinestore.com/faq-fiber...35446935403747

Apparently, the gelcoat develops microscopic pits that don't get filled by paste waxes when applied. This traps air in these pits which leads to rapid re-oxidation. The solution is to use a sealer which fills these pits.

It seems the most popular product out there for this sealer is Vertglas. I haven't tried it so no first hand experience. But, I plan to give it a try next year.

Even it doesn't last very long....one season.......and it should be removed prior to starting the whole process over again the following year. If it really does last the season, I'll be happy. Spending a couple hours cleaning and waxing the boat only to have it look like crap in a couple of weeks is very discouraging.
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Old 07-11-2006, 09:09 AM
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those old 4 Winns were sturdy good boats, better than the newer ones, but they all oxidized badly...

Cal, your just getting started spending money, it never ends... boats are VERY expensive...especialy old ones, but your already finding that out....

Best of luck to you, the hull you chose is a good one... enjoy...
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Old 07-11-2006, 11:35 AM
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You know what we need is a boat junk yard...

I need a new horn or a horn that works...

I'd love to be able to strip that kind of stuff off abandon boats
for cheap money. There's no point in buy all this stuff a new cost.

I went over the gel coat 4 times. Damn thing better last the season!

I used a good old fashion citrus soap and cleaned the hull, then rubbing
compound, then color restorer, then wax... That's 4 trips around the boat.

The color restorer did the most or was the dramatic change...

The return on investment is still well within my guidelines. I haven't
outspent the resale value, yet!

My only remaining purchases is to upgrade the GPS and Fish finder(s).
Oh yeah, horn & fire extinguisher too.

What is "303" cleaner/wax? Anyone know. The boat mechanic mentioned
this on a boat restoration he was going thru.

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Old 07-11-2006, 12:15 PM
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There used to be a boat junk yard in Woburn on Rt 38, but the problem with that was, anything in the junk yard was junk!

Electric horns dont last long, even when new, get yourself a good back up just in case, besides carrying storm whistles (which a re VERY loud and will work when dunked in water) I have a horn the you must blow into.... it is loud... louder than any Co2 one I have heard....

dont skimp on fire extingishers, (I carry 2) get the biggest that is practical in you boat.. they are the ONLY fire dept. available and may save your life..

check your PFD's closely (unless you bought new ones) make sure there are no rips and tears and all the harnesses are in good working order, have all the kids put them on and know how to put them on properly.


If the electronics work, I wouldnt change them the first season, I would suggest a reliable 2 battery system if the boat doesnt already have one....

I know I sound overly cautious but after spending over 35 years on the water 3-5 days/nights a week, I''ve seen just about everything that can happen, happen, new boaters get excited and overlook the obvious sometimes.... dont mean to be a nag, i just want your experience to be as enjoyable as possible....
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:22 PM
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Good advice from Roc there Cal. Redundency and double checking everything is the name of the game in boating, especially when boating in the ocean.

The only product I know of that is referred to as 303 is a waterproofing compound for canvas tops, similar to 3M's Scotchguard.
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:42 PM
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got 6 pfds, all in new condition. Going to get a few smaller ones that fit
well on the kids, like the vest type. That way wearing them all the time
wont be a problem.

Its got 2 batteries with a battery switch. I'll be able to test it more fully on my first trial...while I'm tied off at the dock!

Got a storm whistle already. I rather go with a manual horn myself.
I may call around to a few junk yards to see if they've got one lying around.
Like a big truck blow horn... AAAOOOOGGGAAAA.

All of the electronics are wired up but they're disconnected at this time.
Since the boat was in the yard in Lynn it was best to remove them rather
than have them stolen. The marina takes all the outdrives off so they
don't get stolen. So the remaining electronics will be completed when
it is tied off at the dock.

I'm not taking the boat on the road to have the tires fall off the trailer
somewhere between lynn and littleton. I really couldn't handle that.
So every trip up there is an all day affair.

I load all my crap and tools into my truck and spend the day. Its
exhausting. Freaking 4 kids runnin around yelling and screaming.
Regular freak show. That's called paying my dues!

Part of my whole process is common sense. I got enough of that
to make up for beginners bad luck. I've been around the block a
few times and have learned from my mistakes.

Now I just have to come up with enough money to pay for everything!

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Old 07-11-2006, 12:55 PM
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LMAO

Common sense.... you now own a boat brother... welcome to the world of people with NO COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!

Common sense is the dude sitting on the dock, enjoying a cold one not giving a rats hind quarter wheter he catches anything but rays.... anyone owning a boat forfeits their "commion sense" when they pick up their firs craft.... yours truely included!!!
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Old 07-11-2006, 12:57 PM
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Do those manual whistles meet the regulations? I never really researched it but I remember someone telling me they're fine as backups, but don't meet regulations as the primary horn.

Even marine grade horns don't seem to last, as Roc mentioned. So 2 years ago, after my horn died, I went to an auto parts store and got one. It was like $12 and it still works. I use a Co2 horn as my backup.

Do you have flares that are within their shelf-life?

Hey Roc, do you know the regs on fire extinguishers....like their recert frequency?
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:10 PM
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The regs go by size of the vessel, the mouth horn I have is legal to 25' true storm whistles are good to 25' I believe standard marine whistles are good to 20'( I could be wrong, my memory isnt so good at times)

Re-chargeble fire extinguishers are good for one year from the certification tag, non- rechargeable are good as long as the "charged" green area and indicator needle align..

A note about fire extinguishers in a boat, they should be tipped upside down and tapped with a block of wood or rubber hammer monthly as they become packed from the pounding and can be rendered ineffective....
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Old 07-11-2006, 01:25 PM
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There's got to be some sort of mason/dixon line in there.

The world is 2/3rds water.

I love that commercial about the guy backing up the centerconsole down
the ramp and they're talking about how the 4-strokes are spent in the
repair shop. I'm sure that a lot of the issues are pilot related. Like,

"Did you check for oil before you left the dock?"

or

Was there a hole in your boat before you put it in the water and
you didn't see it!

Forrest Gump says it all, "Stupid is as stupid does". One of my favorite
lines of all time!

A few friends of mine laughed when I they asked me if I'd ever owned
a boat. I had never done half the things I done in my life but that didn't
mean I was afraid to do them. Its a pursuit of something just beyond your
reach. Just like a trophy. You only get it by trying. Now if you die in the
process than you shouldn't have started!


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Old 07-11-2006, 01:42 PM
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Cal, if you're referring to that Evinrude E-tech commercial, I hate it and turn the channel whenever it comes on. Supposedly, E-techs go 300 hours before the first scheduled maintainence, the whole point of the commercial. That 2-stroke technology is too new and the jury is still out on it's longevity as far as I'm concerned.

On the otherhand, I love the movie "Forrest Gump". In fact it was on 2 weeks ago. I love the scene where Forrest spots Lt. Dang on the dock. He's so excited at seeing him that he dives off his boat leaving his boat to crash into the adjacent pier.

Bubba Gump Shrimp rules and that's all I got to say about that.
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