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Old 05-07-2009, 10:02 AM
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Default Rock hopper spikes/lugs that last!

Hello to all you nighttime red eyed zombie rock hoppers. For years I searched for wading boots that offered lasting traction on slippery smooth boulders and bubble weed. There are a lot of nice spiked boots with a hefty price out there, but no one has made a boot with lugs that last more than two weeks in the terrain we prefer to fish in.
Below are photos of a pair of two week old Korker sandels. As you can see they look two years old! The other photos are my modified wading boot from Chota after two months.


I have used Simms carbide tipped felt wading boot and the Korker guide wading boots in the past. The Simms didn't have enough traction in bubble weed and the Korker guide boots cost a fortune replacing 5-7 lugs with every outing.
Last year I bought a pair of Chota STL wading boot that except replaceable hardened steel screws. Those screws rounded over in no time and felt like ball bearings under foot. I searched the web and came across these carbide tipped screw heads made for snowmobiles. One of the companies, "Trail Grabbers", soldier carbide chips to the head of a screw. Awesome traction for jetty terrain and slopped surfaces due to it's low profile, where as a tall lug would tend to lay over to the side and loose it's bit into the stone.
The other company, called "Wearbars" makes a tall lug giving you a good bit into bubble weed. My boots have both types of lugs in the sole but that is going to change this year as I plan on using all tall lugs for my type of fishing
They are a buck a piece but in the right hard rubber or dense felt sole, they out last anything else out there. The only weakness is what they're screwed into as far as I can tell.
These 1/2" screws hold very well in any location of the Chota's dense felt sole and can't speak for any other boot out there. I've noticed the Chota is a heavy boot when wet and never really dries out from day to day, but they cost me some coin and I'm determined to get my money's worth out of them before I try these screws on another brand of boot.
I'm not saying Chota is the boot to get but rather make sure the screws hold well enough in the boots you choose before you go out in the field and loose them all.
Good luck out there this season.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:35 PM
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Great post. I do quite of bit of rock hopping, climbing and hiking with my waders on around here in upstate NY going after salmon, trout and bass. We have alot of fishing areas with shear shale and granite bedrock , getting around these spots without some sort of traction device is impossible.

I'm a big guy, so I have gone through quite a few different kinds of cleats before I found something that would last more that a few months of use (3 days/week avg). I started with the korkers like yours, after the first trip or two I had rounded or completely lost all of the steel spikes. From there I went to the HEAVY DUTY korkers with the carbide tipped spikes. They have now lasted me about 6 years, but they are heavy. REAL HEAVY. Too heavy.

I needed something lighter, so a few years ago I went to hodgeman gladiator soles. They have carbide tipped spikes too. The best part is that they must weigh half what the other korkers weigh. I got about 3 years out of the first pair, and now have about 30 months on the second pair. One of things that I found really help with the sandel type cleats is to screw them right into the heel of the wading boot. At $50 the gladiators aren't too hard on the wallet. I do like those Chotas though, and will be trying a pair at some point in the near future.
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Old 05-07-2009, 01:37 PM
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Default Re: Rock hopper spikes/lugs that last!

Nice post.

I tried some navy flight deck boots that work for rocks but they get laden with sand. despite gravel gaurds on the waders. Not very practical either.
Ive taken to using the cheap hodgeman boots and the k5000s with the mods below.


Regarding the korker k5000 sandals.
Korker modifications -
Jimmy D'Iamico writes in Zenos book that heal lift is the main culprit in cleat loss.
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"In my opinion, the best remedy for this is to create out of a 1 or 2 inch wide x 5 inch long piece of heavy polypropylene webbing, doubling it over ( folding in half) and bolting it straight through the heel of the sandal. What you've now created is a much needed loop at the heel for which the laces run through."

He goes on to suggest addressing the possibility of missing studs by replacing them with stainless steel screws, fender washers and lock nuts. The wont give you as much bite as carbide but they will still be there when you need them.

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Old 05-07-2009, 02:02 PM
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Regarding the korker k5000 sandals.
Jimmy D'iamico writes in zenos new book that heal lift is the main culprit in cleat loss.
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"In my opinion, the best remedy for this is to create out of a 1 or 2 inch wide x 5 inch long piece of heavy polypropylene webbing, doubling it over ( folding in half) and bolting it straight through the heel of the sandal. What you've now created is a much needed loop at the heel for which the laces run through."

He goes on to suggest addressing the possibility of missing studs by replacing them with stainless steel screws, fender washers and lock nuts. The wont give you as much bite as carbide but they will still be there when you need them.

Jim,
Not sure that excerpt was about the K5000. The K5000 has the nylon webbing with a buckle, not laces, and threaded inserts in the sole with replaceable carbide tipped spikes.
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Old 05-07-2009, 02:06 PM
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My bad - k1100 - 50 bucks
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Old 05-07-2009, 07:23 PM
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If anyone is ambitious to drill holes thru the soles, you could install these threaded carbide lugs with huge backer washers and nuts. Should hold strong to any type of sole.
Below are photos of Trail grabbers and Wearbars lugs incase anyone is interested in what they look like.
Photo 1, Wearbars
Photo 2, lug with backer washer
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Old 06-05-2009, 03:06 PM
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After losing a corker at PJ light I refused to spend another $60 on korkers, so I took my Proline wading boots (cheap, i wasn't worried about ruining them) and marked and drilled holes thru the sole. The sole isn't as thick or as heavy duty as I would have liked so I improvised. I was looking something rigid/strong with some flexibility. So I took a small bucket (Read: sheetrock drywall compound, small bucket green top) and cut it down the side and cut the bottom off. I cut four pieces of it for each boot, one under ball/front of foot, another for the heel both inside the boot and out (outer sole). Front piece was maybe 3" x 5" (i didn't measure) and heel about 3" x 3"...held them in place and marked holes with a sharpie...drilled them out and used 1/2" and 3/4" stainless steel bolts with good sized washers and nuts. Inner sole goes like this (when looking into the boot, what you see): screw head ontop of a good sized washer ontop of plastic piece...outside has the bolt extending thru the sole, thru plasic piece, thru another good size washer secured by a nut. I used 1/2" and 3/4" bolts (for the thicker heel) so that they were stubby enough to provide leverage with only about 1/4" of the bolt sticking out of the sole. With the sole insert placed inside the boot OVER the plastic and screws I seriously can't feel them from the bottom of my feet thru my stockingfoot. They are a little tighter than before, but I relaced and keep them looser with no ill effects.

Result: they work great. They did wear down but the only rocks this is noticeable on are the rocks at PJ. Those smooth round boulders are tough. The best part is the bolts are easily replaced with an offset screwdriver and socket...it has only been 1 season so we shall see. I'll try to get some pics up.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:38 PM
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I have seen the Korker strap-on sandels and boots. The boots are costly and the sandles are heavy.

I was wondering if anyone has tried other strap-on sandels like STABILicers Anti-Skid Detachable Soles, Kahtoola MICROspikes, Monstergrips or YakTrax. These are really snow/ice cleats but the Kahtoola mentions rocks and the Stabilicers are similar to Korkers.
Here is a random link that shows the cleats listed above, any input would be appriciated

http://cozywinters.com/ice-cleats/ice-cleats.html
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Old 06-25-2009, 05:30 PM
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I have seen the Korker strap-on sandels and boots. The boots are costly and the sandles are heavy.

I was wondering if anyone has tried other strap-on sandels like STABILicers Anti-Skid Detachable Soles, Kahtoola MICROspikes, Monstergrips or YakTrax. These are really snow/ice cleats but the Kahtoola mentions rocks and the Stabilicers are similar to Korkers.
Here is a random link that shows the cleats listed above, any input would be appriciated

http://cozywinters.com/ice-cleats/ice-cleats.html


Funny u should mention this site, I ordered a pair of stabil icers, they confirmed my order then promptly sent me another email to tell me the product is on back order until the fall. Check out altrec.com, I got a pair of stabil icers from them for like $40 or so. I've used them a handful of times already without a problem, and u can buy replacement studs as well when they wear/break or what have you. Seems like a decent cheaper alternative, unless the straps break, in which case I'll have to come up with some inventive way to fix 'em. Good luck man.




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Old 06-25-2009, 06:44 PM
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Thanks for your input on those stabilicers. I had just put that site there as they showed all the different types. I may actually order from Cabela or another site I have marked.
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Old 09-13-2009, 05:13 PM
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I just re-spikd my Korkers with #10 x 3/4" SS Truss head screws with #10 7/16 OD SS washers and Ny-lock nuts. Just used them for the first time this morning and they gripped better than the actual Korker Studs. When they wear down, just replace the screws and you are good to go.
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Old 09-24-2009, 01:04 PM
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Ive had the 1100's for two seasons and have only lost one spike, however my buddy purchased the 5000's and has lost 9 or 10 after 4 or 5 outings. The only complaint I have about the laced korkers is that the loops the laces go through have a tendency to break...not something you want to have happen with big waves around.
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:41 AM
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I have looked at the Stabilizers and for $35, how can I go wrong. They are strap ons and seem well made. The spikes can also be purchased and replaced. A local tackle shop had a pair, when I went to get them they were gone. He said he has such a good response from them he had ordered over a dozen more. He never orders a dozen of anything(very small shop) but he said almost 1/2 of them are already sold. I talked to a guy that bought the ones I was going to get, he said he loved em and they were to replace a pair of Korkers. He was also buying 2 more pair for some friends. Below is a picture of one of the ones they have. The sme company makes a few different pairs. I had just noticed that most places online sell them for around $43 or more(+ ship) I hope my loocal guy still sells them for $35-well those who snooze loose

Striperhyper from Maine has a pair also, maybe he will respond with some input as I think he has had them for the summer now.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:22 AM
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I bought a pair before the season started, didn't get to use them as much as I'd planned (cut the season short due to a shoulder injury) but they held up well under the conditions of rock hopping @ Biddeford Pool. They're a cheaper alternative to Korkers which seem to run at least double in price, but Ive never owned a pair so I can't give much feedback on them.


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Old 11-01-2009, 02:33 PM
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I own k-5000 korkers... I walk miles during outing over rough terrain... just got back from block island and walked so damn far. k-5000's weigh 2 pounds each. Is it really necessary to wear that giant, 2 pound rubber sandal just so there can be a few spikes under your feet??? there has to be a better "delivery" system for the spikes... (I know what youre going to say... I already know about the torrents with the removable soles... I tried them and I think they SUCK... not enough spikes& the "convenient" interchangeable soles pop off in rough terrain (block island). "sounds" like a great idea, having the option for 5 types of soles... but most guys dont need 5 different soles that all kindof suck... they need ONE that WORKS!!! I dont know where they field tested those interchangeable soles, but it was probably a trout stream for a week, and not where most surf-casters fish!!! I fish 60-70 nights per season...
HERES MY IDEA..... Why not simply make boots that have have a bottom that look just like the k-5000??? a boot that has the threads built directly into the sole? just screw in your replacement spikes and youre good to go... can I get an amen??? how has such a simple, practical idea gotten by their engineers???
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